'A dangerous precedent': Wasps issue warning over how some high tackled players are overreacting

The litmus may arrive tomorrow where the ABs have picked a more orthodox an All Blacky type B/R. Let’s see thow they go eh?

Also consider the level of the opposition which is sub-par compared to what he would face in a TRC back row, versus Matera or PSDT for example.

So some perspective is needed…

Remember both Retallick and Whitelock could run the the AB lineout, and they have a history of moving 5’s to 4 - Haden and Whetton in the old days!

They don’t show he lacks impact in contact - because the ball was won then he got there.

The pattern is passive. Yep. So not JAS’s fault.

So when you say JAS is ball watching what you are saying that instead of covering for Gleeson’s miss, he should have shot on his man, who didn’t have the ball and just let the Fijian player run through a hole instead?

I didn’t suggest Joe doesn’t know anything. Not sure what the point of that strawman is. I pointed out in one case JAS ran from much further than two forward to hit a ruck and they were at fault for not getting to the ruck, when they were supporting the ball carrier.

Are you seriously trying to say that the lock and 7 trailing the 10, aren’t at fault for a turnover when the 10 is tackled a few meters in front of them? And its all at the fault of the 13 who ran from out of screen, past the 12 to get to the ruck that was already lost?

Are you actually going to address this or claim I’m on the RA payroll for daring to disagree with you?

*e.g. Sio Kite this year…

Other posters have noted the comparison with Tuivasa-Sheck in NZ and they are right. JS is further along the curve than he but there are still glaring weaknesses which are not his problem, but that of the experience he has so far accumulated in the game, and in the spot he has been asked to play after spending a whole season at 15 for the Tahs.

Isn’t it obvious to you?

The two cleanouts show he lacks impact in contact. They are one on ones and the first player has to make more impact than that. Both Fiji defenders win the ball too easily for comfort.

To suggest Joe doesn’t know who should be cleaning out at those rucks is close to rugby heresy! It is one of his key focal points.

Defence is a mix of the individual and the collective. The pattern is passive and the nominated 13 is not making any decisions within it.

Imagine Garry Ringrose in the same situations, do you think he’d be going along for the ride and ball-watching?

You really need to get off the RA payroll and lift the coins from your eyes fella😁