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European Player of the Year shortlist unearths ongoing debate

Alex Goode tackle Darren Sweetnam

The European Player of the Year shortlist was whittled down to five players yesterday, and it is no surprise that it is occupied by Leinster and Saracens players.

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The Champions Cup finalists have undoubtedly been the two best teams in Europe this season, and the shortlist reflects this.

The Irish side are represented by hooker Sean Cronin, prop Tadhg Furlong and centre Garry Ringrose, while Saracens’ prop Mako Vunipola and fullback Alex Goode fill the other two spaces.

Very few fans seem to object to this shortlist on Twitter, and it has been remarked upon that three front-row players are in the running for the award.

However, what has been questioned is the fact that Goode is up for the award despite perennially shunned by England.

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This how many Saracens and England fans have reacted:

https://twitter.com/steven_casta21/status/1121053696874381313?s=20
https://twitter.com/pilsbury44/status/1121284331530440706?s=20
https://twitter.com/smudger233/status/1121165927989547008?s=20
https://twitter.com/damnthatcursor/status/1121108438669516800?s=20
https://twitter.com/dombuckley/status/1121138058462670848?s=20

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Goode’s omission by England head coach Eddie Jones has been a hot topic for debate this season, given his wonderful form. The fullback has been imperious at the back for the English champions, and his ability to slot in at fly-half only makes him more valuable for whomever he plays for.

However, despite having played for England 21 times, the fullback has only earned two caps under Jones, with his last in 2016. He is part of a cohort of players that are performing superbly this season to no avail. Gloucester’s Danny Cipriani is another player that is struggling to work his way into national contention, despite showing some of the best form in England. With the World Cup rapidly approaching, they both have precious little time to make an impression.

But while Cipriani’s off-field antics in the past have hampered his international progress, Goode has been squeaky clean, leaving fans all the more baffled as to why he has not been selected.

This would not be the first time that an Englishman has won the award despite being excluded from the national team. In fact, it has happened to Johnny Wilkinson, Steffon Armitage and Nick Abendanon.

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However, the distinction would be that those three were all plying their trade in France when they won the award. Despite calls for a change in policy, those players were ineligible to play for England and they knew that. However, this may be the first time that a player based in England wins the award despite not featuring for his country.

Looking at what many have said on social media, Goode looks to be the favourite to scoop the coveted award, and many will hope that is decisive factor that Jones needs to eventually pick him.

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fl 5 hours ago
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“Why do you downplay his later career, post 50? He won a treble less than two years ago, with a club who played more games and won more games than any other team that managed the same feat. His crowning achievement - by his own admission.”

He’s won many trebles in his career - why do you only care about one of them?

I think its unsurprising that he’d feel more emotional about his recent achievements, but its less clear why you do.


“Is it FA cups or League cups you’re forgetting in his English trophy haul? You haven’t made that clear…”

It actually was clear, if you knew the number he had won of each, but I was ignoring the league cup, because Germany and Spain only have one cup competition so it isn’t possible to compare league cup performance with City to his performance with Bayern and Barcelona.


“With Barcelona he won 14 trophies. With Bayern Munich he won 5 trophies. With City he has currently won 18 trophies…”

I can count, but clearly you can’t divide! He was at Barca for 4 years, so that’s 3.5 trophies per year. He was at Bayern for 3 years, and actually won 7 trophies so that’s 2.3 trophies per year. He has been at City for 8 completed seasons so that’s 2.25 trophies per year. If in his 9th season (this one) he wins both the FA cup and the FIFA club world cup that will take his total to 20 for an average of 2.22 trophies per year.


To be clear - you said that Pep had gotten better with age by every metric. In fact by most metrics he has gotten worse!

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fl 7 hours ago
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“He made history beyond the age of 50. History.”

He made history before the age of 50, why are you so keen to downplay Pep’s early career achievements? In 2009 he won the sextuple. No other manager in history had achieved that, and Pep hasn’t achieved it since, but here you are jizzing your pants over a couple of CL finals.


“If continuing to break records and achieve trophies isn't a metric for success”

Achieving trophies is a metric for success, and Pep wins fewer trophies as he gets older.


“He's still competing for a major trophy this year. Should he get it, it would be 8 consecutive seasons with a major trophy. Then the world club cup in the summer.”

You’re cherry picking some quite odd stats now. In Pep’s first 8 seasons as a manager he won 6 league titles, 2 CL titles, & 4 cup titles. In Pep’s last 8 seasons as a manager (including this one) he’s won 6 league titles, 1 CL title, & 2 (or possibly 3) cup titles. In his first 8 seasons he won the FIFA world club cup 3 times; in his last 8 seasons he’s won it 1 (or possibly soon to be 2) time(s). In his first 8 seasons he won the UEFA super cup 3 times; in his last 8 he won the UEFA super cup once. His record over the past 8 seasons has been amazing - but it is a step down from his record in his first 8 seasons, and winning the FA cup and FIFA club world cup this summer won’t change that.


Pep is still a brilliant manager. He will probably remain a brilliant manager for many years to come, but you seem to want to forget how incredible he was when he first broke through. To be clear - you said that Pep had gotten better with age by every metric. That was false!

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