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Andy Farrell refuses 'sour grapes' over specific aspect of Ireland loss
By Ian Cameron
Ireland head coach Andy Farrell has refused to complain about the officiating of the scrums during his sideās heartbreaking 28-24 Rugby World Cup quarter-final loss to New Zealand in Paris.
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Renowned scrummager Andrew Porter conceded a raft of penalties at scrum time, even when Ireland seemed to have the physical ascendancy at the setpiece.
When asked about the number of penalties Ireland conceded, Farrell refused to complain about referee Wayne Barnesā interpretation of the scrum, even if Ireland came out the wrong side of that particular battle.
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āWe have a different view of the scrum out there. But we donāt want to sit here with sour grapes,ā said Farrell.
āThe scrum was part of the equation and Andrew [Porter] was frustrated with what was going go out there. But congratulations to New Zealand.
āI mean if you go out with a whimper itās pretty hard to take, isnāt it. We deserve a little bit more of ourselves than that and we didnāt, did we.
āIām immensely proud of absolutely everyone connected to Irish rugby to be fair. The staff have been immense over the last four years. The players, not just in this squad but the players weāve used in the four year cycle have been a joy to work with. And not just that, the connection with the fans, it seems like itās all one big family.
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āI think the sad thing now for us is that for this group itās probably the end. Obviously, it is for Johnny (Sexton), and Keith Earls he is going to retire as well.
āOver the next 24 hours itās time to make sure we get a smile back on our face as soon as we possibly can and celebrate what has been some unbelievable careers and what they have done for Irish rugby.
āIām unbelievably proud of the group, everyone thatās been involved over the last couple of years. That was one hell of a game and somebody had to lose ā unfortunately it was us tonight.ā
How is no one talking about the forward pass for the NZ first try??
Because it wasn't a forward pass he literally caught it behind his head if you don't understand physics I think you should go back to school
Porter has always scrummaged at an angle. He is not that good at scrum time because in fairness to him, the amount of work he gets through in open play, there is no way he can have the energy to dominate every scrum, so he has to adjust his technique and finally a ref has seen it.
How ridiculous is the draw SA/NZ/France/Ireland all on one side of the draw meanwhile England who have they had to play ???
Yawn!! Everyone knew when the draw was going to take place, it was no surprise. Play well at World Cups and consistently get to semi finals and win championships and you will be safe in the top 5 but unless pool formats change, there will always be at least 1 imbalanced group.
Irish made to many mistakes, All Blacks capitalised. Thou this was a fantastic performance from both š«š·/š³šæteamsā¼ļø
Best team won - no question.
Does anyone know if John has recovered yet?
Ireland beaten fair and square. All blacks had the game plan for knockout rugby down to a tee. Ireland had chances to win it but couldn't get it done will learn from it. Congrats to the abs
I'll say this NZ won but on the whole Ireland had a chance - fair play to them in the 1st half when they went 13-0 down they could have completely folded but they didn't because they were the No 1 team in the world & they knew that which is why they scored 2 brilliant tries with conversions to bring it back to within a point @ half time.
Even in the 2nd half when NZ scored 2 tries they kept bringing it back & I'll say this if Sexton had have scored that free - because it was straight in front of the postās although it was a fair way out but still kickable - with about 14 mins to go that would have brought it back to within a point & all it would have needed would have been a drop-goal because Ireland still had possession & they probably would have got it & hung on 4 a richly deserved victory, but as it was he missed the free & Ireland HAD to go 4 the try & very nearly got it but 4 the kiwi player putting his arm down to prevent the Irish player from scoring & that was as close as the Irish team as a whole got to winning but it unfortunately wasn't to be & that was as close as we'll ever have got to reaching the rugby world cup final. Although Ireland won in NZ during their tour there whenever they played there - was it last year - Ireland seemed to have banished the notion of NZ being their bogey team but the Kiwis won when it mattered in the quarter final of the World Cup & the Kiwis made sure they were the fittest team on the pitch that day. But all is not Lost because although they've lost this time & several players have retired there's still time to rebuild the squad & get it ready 4 the nxt tournament in preparation 4 the nxt World Cup. Come on Ireland u can still do it!!
Porter bores in on the angle, has always done it and gotten away with it until now. It isnāt hard to set and engage front on but his method is always to angle in. From the Irish perspective just imagine if the All Blacks didnāt have to play for 20 minutes with 14 men they may have been blown off the park ! Best team won on the day
True new Zealand were better but felt that the yellow cards particularly the penalty try was because they couldn't handle the pressure of Ireland, felt the ref should have referred the breakdown more new Zealand slowing the ball down and Ireland should have been more direct against the all Black's pack.
I recall it was very clear barrowing in from the Irish prop. You could see from the above scrum camera angle. Clear as day. As soon as you barrow you get control. Its why its illegal. Ref got it right. So sick of this blame the ref rubbish in sports these days.
Ireland lost this match by going for lineouts and tries off kickable penalties. NZ did it zero times, Ireland 5-6x. Golden rule of finals - take the points every time. They left 15 odd points out there. Cop the blame on yourself Ireland.
The lineout N Z won to score second try was blatantly not straight but of course Barnes supposed best ref in world never seen it one of many all black faults ge turned blind eye to.
John buddy have you ever watched rugby your blatantly ignoring all the forward passes high tackles and ruck infringements that Ireland go away with especially the blantanly coming front he side and picking it out from under the all blacks feet guess who it was porter again
Thatās terrible to hear John
i hope you recover in time to enjoy the semi finals.
Saw a few of those from Ireland. If they pull up every slight issue then the game will die.
All teams get decisions of bad lineouts that arenāt always pulled up.. Maybe if oāMahony wasn't thinking up slurs and banter half the time, he might actually pull in more throwsā¦ šš¤£
Ohhhh John ya cry baby- get a life there was a blatant neck pull by Ireland that got ignored by your cousin the TMO and Irish lying in and around the ruck but we get pinged- alls good when you win you know dat - couple of calls in games you won previously over us were a bit suspect - but hey we donāt turn into cry babies be a man and give yourself an uppercut
I have a question for all the rugby fans here and the not so rugby fans and it is why did Barnes sinbin the all black player after he cynically awarded Ireland a penalty try. I await enlightenment
In the rules pulling down a maul near the line is a professional foul and a yellow card offense. I am an AB fan but that was fair I thought.
Itās call the āDouble whammyā play to give Ireland one more opportunity to put us away - but this time it didnāt work
Bellend Barnes has previous when reffing Ireland matchesā¦.the final pass for NZās first try was blatantly forward
I totally agree but donāt you just love it ā¦ā¦.. Nahh all good at least when you land In Dublin on your exit from RWC 2023 ya fans get to pat ya on the head
Like all the BLATANT foward passes from Ireland, that Barnes let you cheats get away with. The coming in from the side and taking the ball from under the players get. GTFOH you little bitch. 4 more years eat a$$
Porter was angling in. What game were you watching thinking Ireland had scrum dominance?
Correct. Poor scrum and obvious infringement by todays standards. The guy is loosehead so its all his own doing. In all honesty Iām no fan of the modern game but even a block headed prop should realise he is under the microscope after the second decision against him. There is absolutely no room skullduggery these days, mores the pity.
On TV the pack weights were shown as Ireland 894kg NZ 906kg.
We calculated the weights as 901 v 933 from official team details.
Which was correct?
Dare ya go da proofs out - we eat lamb you eat potatoes
Absolutely NFG
Possibly the on TV weights?
Reckon if anything, players are leaner by this stage of the World Cup?
I mean Williams alone must fluctuate quite considerably depending on his conditioning.
I put on 4 kilos this week. Just drinking beer. The opposite phenomenon.
Well that's good. Pressumably the haka combined with the Jinx to confuse poor Porter sending the Irish front row up and sideways leaving NZ no option but to go low and straight through underneath.
Stop talking bollox Barnes defeated Ireland not the all blacks his cynical penalty try trying to take the eye off himself. No conversion from a penalty try makes it a 2 score game. He's an anti Irish scumbag simple
Farrell should have switched porter earlier. If porter couldn't understand what he was doing wrong he was never going to learn therefore continue to give away penalties.
Nz played great as did Ireland (20 minutes from the end). It's a pity Ireland didn't play like they finished.
Farrell gave his fellow country man Barnes a pass on his deliberate decision to stop Ireland moving to forward to the next round.
Well done to the All Blacks. They rose to the occassion and forced errors from Ireland. They deserve their victory.
Andy is a great coach and Ireland will still be a very good team in the years to come
Farrell has Ireland playing rugby in his own image. Overly defensjve and muscly, Ireland lacked attacking flair and the scoreline flattered them in the end.
All Blacks were miles better and the tournament Is better off with am attacking side going through. A victory for rugby as the game should be played
Fortunately K Earls said they did not remember any value from Schmidt as coach - that was helpful
Cmon he didnt say that š
Pretty hard to dispute Barnes scrum calls or suggest any bias based around that. Buy Porter a compass and show him where north is.
Lol. Porter has form boring in at right angles. Finally a ref called him up on it,
And thats why Andy has the respect of the Rugby world - he is class - he did everything he could to prepare Ireland. First Irish coach to win a series in NZ -Six Nations Champs - World Number One for 2 - 3 years - 17 games unbeaten - 2023 WC Quarter Finalists - they went with NZ all the way 13 - Nil behind to come back within 4 shows just how great a team they are - They have built tremendous legacy - it can never be taken away from them - going where no other Irish team has been before - there will be another team who will take their story further - legacys and history are built up over time layer upon layer this Irish team have layed down the ground work for others to be inspired and do better You dont want the monkey on your back to become a guerrilla - its still early days 4 - 8 years and Ireland will be in the semis
Erm it means basically nothing because they couldn't finish it. Zilch. Sorry to burst your bubble but that's life
do you know how many times the ABs have replicated that exact same record over the last 30 years they are a very good team (Ireland) they have a long way yet to be called great S.A are great team you have to have a legacy i believe this term his chucked around too easily
Well John I bet against the All Blacks and I thought he was Fair.
Smith did touch the ball and Cory Taylor pulled the maul down.
It was very clear.
I am no fan of Barnes. Porter was caught red handed and Porter was obviously not allowed to play his usual game and was frustrated.
John, Barnes awarded 2 two yellow cards and a Penalty Try against the All Blacks.
Ireland had a 1 man advantage for 20 minutes or 25% of the game.
Some would say that if you canāt win with a 1 man advantage for 25% of a Test Match, you donāt deserve to win.
John you have to stop smoking that shit!
It's very simple Ireland were beaten by Wayne Barnes, before the world cup started I said he dislikes Ireland and he done his very best to make sure Ireland didn't progress any further in this tournament. It was shocking to watch his obvious bias. He was constantly the wrong side of play and his decisions at the scrum were outrageous. People might think because this man is a barrister that he in some way is an honourable man nothing could be further from the truth I've always said he's just a bad referees. I'm proud of Ireland and what a brilliant performance in adversity with one of the worst referees in world rugby. The all blacks are a brilliant team and on their day they are unbeatable and best of luck to them in the rest of the tournament.
Our unconscious biases are quite ridiculous. I used to think the same stuff towards the same ref..so on this occasion I realised heās just a ref. They all have their moments
Pathetic take
Nope. Barnes had a very solid performance in a game like a pressure cooker.
The idea that a top referee has a massive bias against a nation is ridiculous.
Lol see ya john better go to the physio see if you can do sobering about that chip. And the optometrist for the myopia. Just take the result like a big boy with your big boy pants on
John the only one with a blatant bias here is you mate! ABs have been on the wrong end of dubious Wayne Barnes call many times and this game was no exception.
The fact we still managed to win despite 2 yellow cards and a penalty try was truly a remarkable defensive effort! We absolutely deserved the win and I'm now confident we'll go on take out the whole thing and reclaim our number 1 ranking! Cheers
You sounding like Rassie