'Beast' calls it quits after Boks' RWC win

“Is it FA cups or League cups you’re forgetting in his English trophy haul? You haven’t made that clear…”

It actually was clear, if you knew the number he had won of each, but I was ignoring the league cup, because Germany and Spain only have one cup competition so it isn’t possible to compare league cup performance with City to his performance with Bayern and Barcelona.

“With Barcelona he won 14 trophies. With Bayern Munich he won 5 trophies. With City he has currently won 18 trophies…”

I can count, but clearly you can’t divide! He was at Barca for 4 years, so that’s 3.5 trophies per year. He was at Bayern for 3 years, and actually won 7 trophies so that’s 2.3 trophies per year. He has been at City for 8 completed seasons so that’s 2.25 trophies per year. If in his 9th season (this one) he wins both the FA cup and the FIFA club world cup that will take his total to 20 for an average of 2.22 trophies per year.

To be clear - you said that Pep had gotten better with age by every metric. In fact by most metrics he has gotten worse!

Is it FA cups or League cups you’re forgetting in his English trophy haul? You haven’t made that clear…

It’s lovely you still think of him as a brilliant manager. I’ll be sure to let him know when I next see him.

With Barcelona he won 14 trophies. With Bayern Munich he won 5 trophies. With City he has currently won 18 trophies…

If your too thick to count then your likely too thick to insult, so I’ll keep it friendly - Enjoy the Lions series.

We’re done here, fella.

We shall see.

“If continuing to break records and achieve trophies isn't a metric for success”

Achieving trophies is a metric for success, and Pep wins fewer trophies as he gets older.

“He's still competing for a major trophy this year. Should he get it, it would be 8 consecutive seasons with a major trophy. Then the world club cup in the summer.”

You’re cherry picking some quite odd stats now. In Pep’s first 8 seasons as a manager he won 6 league titles, 2 CL titles, & 4 cup titles. In Pep’s last 8 seasons as a manager (including this one) he’s won 6 league titles, 1 CL title, & 2 (or possibly 3) cup titles. In his first 8 seasons he won the FIFA world club cup 3 times; in his last 8 seasons he’s won it 1 (or possibly soon to be 2) time(s). In his first 8 seasons he won the UEFA super cup 3 times; in his last 8 he won the UEFA super cup once. His record over the past 8 seasons has been amazing - but it is a step down from his record in his first 8 seasons, and winning the FA cup and FIFA club world cup this summer won’t change that.

Pep is still a brilliant manager. He will probably remain a brilliant manager for many years to come, but you seem to want to forget how incredible he was when he first broke through. To be clear - you said that Pep had gotten better with age by every metric. That was false!

When Marcus Smith doesn’t have the ball he is floating around, looking for gaps, like a 15 would. When Fin Smith, or George Ford, or Owen Farrell, or Finn Russell, or Sam Prendergast, etc., etc., don’t have the ball, they look to organise their forward pods, and call plays to get their team on the front foot. Maybe if Marcus Smith had a different mindset he would do that to, but it actually involves a specific set of organisational and leadership skills that he has not really demonstrated. A lot is made of the fact that Smith often plays behind forward packs that don’t have go forward - but it is the job of the 10 to help generate that! If Marcus Smith played behind the Leinster pack they’d struggle much more than they do with Prendergast.

I do agree with you that (for now) Marcus is a 10 not a 15, given he has proven to be pretty poor defensively at the back. Harlequins should either try to develop him as a game-managing 10, or should give him game time to grow as a defensive 15. Persisting with their current use of him is a sure-fire way to ensure that he never reaches his potential as an international player.