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Ex-Ireland players assess the Springboks and squash doubts over 'big teams'

Eben Etzebeth of South Africa leads his side from the pitch as they are applauded by the irish team after the Bank of Ireland Nations Series match between Ireland and South Africa at the Aviva Stadium in Dublin. (Photo By Brendan Moran/Sportsfile via Getty Images)

South Africa’s 35-7 win over New Zealand has put their pool rivals on notice, including Ireland, who will face the Springboks in their third pool match.

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Three former Irish internationals have shared their views after watching the Boks dismantle New Zealand at Twickenham.

Former Ireland and Munster hooker Jerry Flannery believed that nothing changes after seeing the All Blacks ā€œcompletely smashedā€.

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ā€œI don’t think it changes the tournament, but what it does it gives an idea of how tough the pool is going to be,ā€ Flannery told RTE Sport.

ā€œIf anything it sharpens the mind for Ireland when they see a team able to perform like that, particularly against New Zealand.

ā€œEveryone had been talking about New Zealand and how they timed their run into this World Cup.

ā€œThe All Blacks were completely smashed by the Springboks.ā€

Ex-Ireland winger Simon Zebo said the Springboks were ā€œutterly dominantā€ and the performance by New Zealand showed that you have to be at the top of your game.

ā€œIt was a very strong performance from South Africa, their physicality is what their game is built on,ā€ he said.

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ā€œThey were utterly dominant in every aspect of play but particularly the forwards.

ā€œNew Zealand, I didn’t think performed really well. They looked very inaccurate, their attacking shape wasn’t flowing as they would’ve liked to.

ā€œYou just need to be very sharp and very on it if you want to compete against a highly motivated Springbok team.ā€

Former loose forward Jamie Heaslip said that Ireland’s recent success against ā€œbiggerā€ teams showed that they can handle what the Springboks will throw at them.

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Ireland toppled the Boks 19-16 in Dublin last November, while they ended France’s 14-game winning streak in February during the Six Nations with a 32-19 win.

Heaslip said the key was to control the pace of the game which Ireland do so well in their attacking shape.

ā€œThey loaded up a 7-1 split as well, all sorts of statements being made,ā€ he said.

ā€œBut Ireland have done it, they’ve been able to come up against these big teams.

ā€œThe narrative at a club level is that the big teams seem to upset us, but at the top level we’ve been able to manage it so far.

ā€œI think we can control the pace in the game and move their team around and control the tempo, we can cause them our own problems.

ā€œIt definitely sharpens the focus of the group knowing that the third game in the group is that South African team who are looking pretty menacing.ā€

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CT 692 days ago

Ireland are renowned chokers

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CO 692 days ago

So are the French

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CC 692 days ago

I supposed the next victim is gonna be Scotland, they must have been sleeping with one eye opened!!!

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CC 692 days ago

The Springbok really played like the defending World Cup champions against All Blacks, this is how the defending champions should play, well done Boke!!! Keep us happy

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IT 692 days ago

The ABs have been hiding their soft belly with razzle dazzle of their kicking backline, they have lost the ability to play hard crunchy boring rugby like SA. So like 2019 they will suffer the same fate. No surprises here even the hard core NZ fans know that. Let Scott Robinson create a new game and pick new players for 2027.

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GP 693 days ago

The ABs will be onsong soon enough. You can't keep a good team down for long. They were just 'off'. They didn't dominate the rugby championship for nothing, and i can see how they will improve as the tournament progresses. The Boks have started with a blast (opposite to how they started in 2019, losing to ABs). But i doubt they can sustain that form. We will see.

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Jonathan 692 days ago

They didn't dominate in the rugby championship and Bledisloe. They played better than the Boks in the first 20 mins and between minute 20 and 80 the Boks outscored them. It also took a very late penalty to get past Australia in their second outing. They have had strong showings, finding ways to win, so credit to them for that. But to state that they were dominating their matches, thats ridiculous.

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CT 692 days ago

An opinion is like an arsehole every has one

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Nickers 693 days ago

NZ didn't want to be out there past the 20 minute mark. I haven't seen such a low intensity performance since they lost to Argentina in Christchurch. SA were outstanding but NZ looked like a disinterested team whose Union had scheduled a quick slugfest to fill the coffers at their expense.

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GrahamVF 693 days ago

They were on the cusp of firing their coach for a string of hopeless performances last year. Since then they have jo-joed between good a positively abominable. They are not peaking, they are struggling to find a continuous upward improvement.

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GL 693 days ago

Boks are amazing vs. 14 or 13

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EW 692 days ago

Like Ireland most of their games, keep up the pressure and the yellow cards fly, now that SA is doing it everyone has an opinion.

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CT 692 days ago

I'll send some tissues

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KiwiSteve 693 days ago

Exactly. But this is never mentioned in other articles here and elsewhere. International rugby is a different level. The margins are tighter. Reduce the players by 8-15% for a chunk of the game and mathematically you will lose. The score is then irrelevant. It was a friendly, how hard are you going to try a man down with the risk of injury right before the WC. Ask Ntamack.

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GrahamVF 693 days ago

And they're very good at forcing teams to play with 13/14 men. If the Ab's play like they played agains the Boks during the WC they are going to be playing short staffed for a lot of the tournament.

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Chris 693 days ago

šŸ˜† still that but hurts

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John 693 days ago

A bit like yourself, full of .....

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sean 693 days ago

Ireland are full of puff, they haven’t faced this bok team yet it’s evolved since November from what I saw against Samoa on the weekend the boks will top this group

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Daire 693 days ago

What you saw v Samoa was the Ireland B team playing in horrendous conditions, its fairly meaningless plus Ireland have clearly evolved since Nov 2023 given they won a grand slam and are unbeaten in 2023.

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GrahamVF 693 days ago

I agree - on the evidence of this Saturday even taking into account that this wasn't their top team Ireland are going to struggle unless they play their top 15 right through the knockout phases.

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Chesterfield 693 days ago

The Bokke can’t deal with extended phase play. They are too unfit. If Ireland can keep the ball away from the line out, maintain their high tackle count per forward, and overcome their tendency to drop to a knee for a stoppage, and keep the Bokke forward pack moving they will own them.

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Bob Marler 693 days ago

Keep the ball away from the line out. How would you go about doing that?


The only thing Ireland will own is another 4 years wondering how they didn’t get past the quarters.

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Daire 693 days ago

Agreed, the Boks tend to try to slow every game down as much as possible so that they can play a forward based game albeit with better attacking options now, particularly against the better teams. Ireland and Scotland will attempt to blitz the Boks right from the whistle.

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Vincent 693 days ago

Unfit šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚

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GrahamVF 693 days ago

Just as well for the AB's that the Boks aren't fit hey 🤣

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Joyce 693 days ago

Anything else??????

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A 693 days ago

🤣to unfit.

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Robin 693 days ago

If my grandmother had balls, she would be my grandfather

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Jv 693 days ago

I do not think we can read too much into the friendlies. But more so, Ireland and France should ignore the 2022 results. The boks played at the end of their year with no kicker and the scoreline was narrow. The WC will be different and the only sad part is that two of these teams will go home after the QFs.

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Androidangler 693 days ago

Agree.

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