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'Deal with the facts': Borthwick defends England's card trouble

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Embattled England boss Steve Borthwick has hit out at the perception that his team have a discipline problem heading into the Rugby World Cup. Three different players have been shown red cards in the last four games, card trouble exacerbated by last week’s three yellows in one fell swoop versus Wales.

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The latest mishap to hinder England was the 53rd-minute Billy Vunipola tackle on Andrew Porter in Dublin, a headshot that was initially yellow-carded before getting quickly upgraded to red via the TMO bunker.

That will require preparation for and attendance at a disciplinary hearing, a situation that will hamper Vunipola’s training availability in the coming days similar to what happened to skipper Owen Farrell last week and is set to be repeated with his separate appeal scheduled for Tuesday.

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      Borthwick was rumbustious in defending his team, highlighting that the two red cards prior to Vunipola’s sending-off, the reds for Freddie Steward and Farrell, were both rescinded days later by the rugby judiciary.

      Presented with the statistic that England have been flashed seven cards of different colours in the last four games (reds for Freddie Steward, Farrell and Vunipola, along with yellows for Jack Willis, Henry Arundell, Ellis Genge and Steward), Borthwick snappily retorted: “Just be conscious that cards have been rescinded, let’s just be conscious before you enjoy quoting numbers. Let’s just deal with the facts.

      “The last time we were here (in Dublin) we got a card that then got rescinded. We ended up playing 50 minutes with one man down that got rescinded. So what are we talking about exactly?”

      Last weekend’s three Twickenham yellow cards was the answer given back to him. “Do you want to talk through each of them? Each one of them was a different type of incident with a different type of matter.

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      “One of them was a scrum offence that came from other scrum offences before that player [Genge] had gone on the pitch. What we got to do here is be conscious of what we are talking about. Do I want 15 players on the pitch? Absolutely I want 15 players on the pitch… Let’s be clear I want 15 players on the pitch.”

      So where does it leave England? Waiting on disciplinary hearings for Farrell and Vunipola in the coming days, distractions that could carry over into their September 9 Rugby World Cup start versus Argentina in Marseille if either player cops a ban.

      “We respected the (Farrell) process last week and we thought we had a conclusion on Tuesday and we didn’t. It’s going forward into next week, we will respect the process again. We respected the process when we were here the last time with Freddie Steward as well. We will continue to do so.

      “You need to be ready to adapt,” he added regarding what the disciplinary room distractions mean for his squad of 33. “We know that all the evidence at the previous World Cups that we need to adapt.”

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      It’s been quite the fiery baptism for the rookie Test-level head coach, a wounding 2023 with five deflating losses in eight outings so far. “This was a great challenge against the No1-ranked side in the world [Ireland], they have been building very well over a good number of years.

      “For the period where we kept 15 men on the pitch, it was a tight battle you would say. Ireland are such a strong side. It’s a big challenge and when you go to 14 men it’s very difficult.”

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      But what are you specifically learning as a rookie boss with all this adversity, the latest dose being the 10-29 loss to Ireland? “We move forward. All the coaches and players, we move forward every week in terms of the lessons.

      “Now I have been very clear about what we need to develop in terms of priority areas over the next couple of weeks to be ready for September 9.

      “I have talked about our conversion of opportunities in the final third, I have talked about that contact skill and turning over too much ball there. That is where we are going to focus our attention.

      “Certain aspects aren’t where we want to be. It’s quite clear in terms of our attack we are turning over too much ball in the opposition 22, so you can’t build the phases and the momentum to get the scores.

      “That is what Ireland did really well, got into the 22 and then they were able to keep ball and were able to score with different elements. Crossfield kick, wide passes. They were able to score points and we weren’t. We are disappointed that we haven’t been able to do that. We want to make sure we get progress in that area.

      “We saw the players want to start to move the ball more which in terms of seeing some development we saw that, moving the ball to the edge more than we have previously. But ultimately you need to build pressure on the opposition and if you turn the ball over early in the phase count you can’t put pressure on the opposition.”

      The blunt string of performances leave England heading into their final Summer Nations Series match with Fiji fancied next Saturday to pull off a result at Twickenham on the back of posing some tough questions this weekend of France in Nantes.

      “They have got tremendously dangerous players and know how to play very well,” admitted Borthwick. “As soon as they see a fraction of space they have got the talent in their team that is able to capitalise on that and take opportunities.

      “We want to win. Winning is a habit and we want to get wins on the board. This team hasn’t won enough games and we want to win every game we go into. We want a quality performance and we want a great result.”

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      ie 705 days ago

      Unless England are hiding the WC game plan then on recent form England are too predictable, pedestrian and one dimensional. Borthwick describes how Ireland and potentially Fiji will play, surely he should let England play that way rather than a set kick and chase in hope. It's clear the players don't like it especially the wingers and full back - they never see the ball come to hand. I think the cards are poor technique due to panic on the field when the games going away from them.

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      Philip 705 days ago

      " It’s quite clear in terms of our attack we are turning over too much ball in the opposition 22" Forgot to say kicking away too much ball everywhere else

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      JW 24 minutes ago
      Leicester Fainga'anuku denied All Blacks eligibility for TRC

      I don’t get that. I got the opposite, this was something Lester really really wanted to do. NZR is not going to stop him doing that by putting ridiculous money in front of him (noted you were only asking for fair money).


      I wouldn’t say this was a Mo’unga or Frizell situation where there talent only was unlocked after they signed abroad, when Schmidt and Ryan came in respectively. LF was on a good trajectory, and he just decided he has the perfect window of opportunity to go abroad while he’s not first choice, learn and live in France to come back better and have a good shot at the perfect age. I think he recongised that.


      Agreed that our rotation has been off the the last decade, players have not been moved on when they should, but I wouldn’t include Rieko in that discussion, though I would accept he is more of a marketing than performance signing.


      Also agree it is a strange condunrum that results from the misalligned seasons, where Lester is straight into NPC in the same season almost. When really the ‘start’ of his contract is next year. Is he even going to be on the payroll at the moment? Could it be used as a double dip to encourage players back, a ‘bonus international season’ of match fees.


      But they also don’t want them to become anymore common. So perhaps everything is fine? Like I was alluding to with Toko, they would need multiple markers of their own in Top 14 for them to be able to gauge off. As I’ve said in previous articles I’d be comfortable to expand sabbaticals to 2 in every position (yes a huge change), so that the was a core group of 30 of the top players all aligned with the ABs and overseas at any one time. This would ensure there are good markers to correlate levels of performance amongst everyone. This is a very similar setup/size to South Africa. It is like the AB modem in a wider organism, the vets are shipped off much earlier, and the core of next cycle is brought through. No missing out on the JGPs or Aki’s, no the Antonio’s or young Patrick Tuifua’s to france, keeping the Chandler Cunningham-South’s or Roots brothers, evan this Dubious guy from the French team was playing rugby here in NZ and could have stayed with a more ground up focus on bringing players through, not paying them much etc lol

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      JW 1 hour ago
      Leicester Fainga'anuku denied All Blacks eligibility for TRC

      I’m not sure where that’s going but does it raise a valid point? Yes would be the answer you’re angling for?


      It was (on air here) last year, but not this year. I haven’t seen why, my guess was that it’s because no English version comes out from the “closed off billionaires league” and they couldn’t get an english one. I think they have to get it from the UK broadcasters and maybe that market changed this year?


      The quality of it wasn’t my point, purely correlation of those performances to ones at home. He is the only one over there, there was no marker for ABs to valuate from. He wasn’t a solid choice, in that you knew what you were getting, he was still more of a sensation in the All Blacks, and he was playing a different position.


      Those are just direct points to counter JBs thoughts. I’m not saying they were used in any way (I think theyd have to be part of why NZR have the current eligibility rules though), this situation was simply a matter of starting at the back of the class if you’re not here. Only vets can earn sabbaticals (which is essentially what people are asking for in this case). There’s no argument this isn’t the right call.


      As with the topic in the above paragraph, we could go on and on about it, but I will say I did see after the fact the final was broadcast FTA (no that I’d watch live, still have yet to watch the replay) straight off mondos website (im guessing it was a laggy pos tho), which is/was good. I also wanted to watch Brad Weber and Lester last year (start of the season) so went on line for a few (and tried to catch Max Hicks), that Brad was fabulous, Lester less so. Lester was also less that good in this international window. So I did see enough to know they are very different games, and I can tell it’s going to take him a while to get on his feet here again.


      Ps and if your gonna say “well so you were able to watch Top 14”, first, this is not about me and it wouldn’t have mattered if I thought he played better than Jordie, second, I just couldn’t be assed, too easy using a proper product. I gave up on JRLO too because they blocked the Youtube dude (and TVNZ/Spark didn’t have it), and RP was slow in signing a deal.

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