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England face test of their 'manlihood'

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Eddie Jones believes England face a test of their “manlihood” when they attempt to guarantee passage into the World Cup quarter-finals by defeating Argentina.

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The rivals clash at Tokyo Stadium on Saturday when the Pumas will be fighting to survive at Japan 2019 after losing their opener to France – England’s closest rivals for top spot in Pool C.

Until toppling Tonga last weekend, Argentina had lost their previous 10 Tests and they should be swept aside by the 2003 champions. But Jones insists that for England to prevail, they must win the forward battle.

“Argentina base their game on the scrum. It’s a test of manlihood so you have to take them on up-front – scrum, maul, ruck attack, ruck defence. That’s where it will be won,” Jones said.

“Everyone trained really well this morning – they’re looking fit, fast, brutal and ready to go.

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“There are no last minute messages. The players are well prepared after a good week’s preparation. They know what to do, now they just have to go out there and do it.”

“They were very unlucky to lose to France and all the stats from the game suggest they should have won it. We have the greatest respect for Argentina.”

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“You have to be smart about that and rugby is a tough physical game and we have seen that already at the World Cup. The passion and pride come out in the toughness (with which) you play but there is also emotional control. When you have passion and pride it tends to multiply your strengths and weaknesses. We want to multiply our strengths and attack their weaknesses.”

“It isn’t a case of us taking advantage of Argentina. It is a matter of us preparing well for the game and physically we are in the best condition we have ever been in and the players were absolutely flying this morning. Mentally, we are in a good position and we cannot be seduced by Argentina’s state.

“They play with a lot of pride and passion and it will be multiplied by the fact they are in a game that is very important for them. It is pretty evident how they are going to play by the team they have picked. First part of the game will be pretty important with possibly 33C and some wind. It will be a test of each team’s courage out there.”

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RedWarriors 7 hours ago
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I flagged this issue before.


It is not just the danger of facing a big team in the round of 16: you might also get one of them in your pool. That would be two extra massive matches. No team in that scenario is winning any world cup. Its as simple as that.

Currently Argentina are 5th, England 6th, Scotland 7th and Australia 8th. With a spread of 3.5 ranking points between those 4.

Playing SA first is not bad as it means losing points at the right time. They must beat Argentina twice in subsequent matches and will gain more there. They have England away and may need to win that and another high value win over: NZ in Perth, Ireland in Dublin or France in Paris will certainly help.


Some sympathy for 7th placed Scotland is required. Scotland were eliminated in Pool stage in 2019 and as rankings were frozen at end of RWC 2019 for RWC 2023 draw, Scotland were ranked 9th. They made massive progress to be ranked 5th before 2023 but it didn’t count and they were drawn in their group of death with Ireland and SA and more or less eliminated by the draw. Compare with England who were terrible between world cups but were top 4 ranked in 2019 which gave them a quarter final against Fiji in 2023 to make a semi final.

The swing in ranking points between Scotland to England before and after RWC 2023 was a massive 6.5

Scotland should be sitting comfortably in 5th but are now 7th and will struggle to make top6. If they don’t make top 6 and get an unlucky draw they could be out at the last 16 stage. In other words the farcical draw in 2023 means that Scotland are still being punished for their showing in RWC 2019 and this may last at least until 2027.

I hope for Justice sakes they make the top 6.

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