'Frank Murphy, why didn't you check it?' The Rugby Pod on the refereeing decision that saved 'chokers' Clermont at Wasps
Ex-Wasps out-half Andy Goode has explained his upset at seeing his former club nudged out of the Heineken Champions Cup at the round of 16 stage by Clermont, a team which Jim Hamilton, his Rugby Pod co-host, still feels don't look like they have shaken off the chokers tag they have been synonymous with over the years in Europe.
Wasps appeared set to progress to a quarter-final meeting versus Toulouse after an out-of-sorts Clermont struggled in the knockout stage match at the Ricoh Arena.
Lee Blackett's side came into the fixture on the back of a poor Gallagher Premiership run but they lifted their efforts and were only denied by an added time converted try which Goode insisted shouldn't have been awarded.
The ex-England out-half claimed there was a forward pass in the build-up to the decisive 84th-minute try by Kotaro Matsushima that was converted by Camille Lopez for the 27-25 result. However, while Clermont may have advanced on this occasion to the next round, ex-Saracens lock Hamilton doesn't believe they will be crowned champions in May as their old failings are still evident. Here is how the duo's Wasps-Clermont Champions Cup review unfolded on the latest episode of The Rugby Pod:
JIM HAMILTON: To be fair they [Wasps] did almost beat one of the best teams in terms of Clermont. I don't want to be horrible, but they [Wasps] put in a good shift.
ANDY GOODE: They did and Clermont, I was a bit nervous about Clermont putting a decent whack on Wasps this weekend but it shows how little we know about rugby sometimes because Wasps should have won it and you look back over the game and there were a few talking points. (Matteo) Minozzi would have scored a worldie of a try if he had just held it close to his chest instead of putting it down, that would have put them 14-0 up.
And then Wasps' discipline has been a running theme throughout the year really. Their discipline towards the back end of the game, they gave away two stupid penalties when they were five points up with about two minutes to play. They were in Clermont's half as well, just no need for it. They had been eager defensively throughout the game.
Listen, Clermont had threats all over the park and they defended for the most part exceptionally well, played with an intensity that has been lacking in other games. But the big thing for me and the annoying thing - and I love Frank Murphy, played with him at Leicester and he is a really good referee - and I question why Wasps didn't make a bigger scene of it, the try that Matsushima scored was the winning try, one phase before Morgan Parra has passed it three yards forward to Fritz Lee. It was so forward.
JH: It was flat.
AG: Mate, it was definitely forward but it didn't get checked, Maybe the Wasps boys were completely out on their feet, maybe no one realised it was a forward pass, I was just disappointed that didn't get checked. But Wasps, they have just lost with a clutch kick from Camille Lopez and a lot of people think he looks like me a little bit, a slightly overweight fly-half that is either sometimes really bad or sometimes okay.
JH: I don't think he will be happy with that, I don't think he will see that as a compliment.
AG: He slots the kick to win it and it's just heart-breaking for Wasps. Clermont are a powerhouse but again, as we have seen many times and Jim you have been of those Saracens teams that dusted Clermont when perhaps people would have thought they would be a lot better, they have got the big choke in them and I thought this was going to be their choke so maybe this is their year.
I don't think it is but they had a big choke in them. It was like Clermont rocked up expecting they would just walk the game because Wasps weren't in great form but they snuck over the line at the end even though it was a forward pass from Morgan Para to Fritz Lee about three yards forward. Frank Murphy, why didn't you check it?
JH: Because it was flat. The thing about Clermont and listening to Benjamin Kayser and having played against Clermont as well, when I realised how much they struggle mentally with the Champions Cup or the Challenge Cup is when they won the Challenge Cup a couple of years ago and the celebrations around winning the Challenge Cup, I don't want to be horrible to the Challenge Cup but I am thinking from a Clermont perspective, they are a team you think should win Europe and you could see, I think Kayser was crying, he was speaking after the game and the emotion around it and it shows that there is clearly a mental block with Clermont.
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Nah, that just needs some more variation. Chip kicks, grubber stabs, all those. Will Jordan showed a pretty good reason why the rush was bad for his link up with BB.
If you have an overlap on a rush defense, they naturally cover out and out and leave a huge gap near the ruck.
It also helps if both teams play the same rules. ARs set the offside line 1m past where the last mans feet were😅
Go to commentsYeah nar, should work for sure. I was just asking why would you do it that way?
It could be achieved by outsourcing all your IP and players to New Zealand, Japan, and America, with a big Super competition between those countries raking it in with all of Australia's best talent to help them at a club level. When there is enough of a following and players coming through internally, and from other international countries (starting out like Australia/without a pro scene), for these high profile clubs to compete without a heavy australian base, then RA could use all the money they'd saved over the decades to turn things around at home and fund 4 super sides of their own that would be good enough to compete.
That sounds like a great model to reset the game in Aus. Take a couple of decades to invest in youth and community networks before trying to become professional again. I just suggest most aussies would be a bit more optimistic they can make it work without the two decades without any pro club rugby bit.
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