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'Like a superpower': The difference between Henry, Hansen and Foster

Steve Hansen (right) with Ian Foster. (Photo by Cameron Spencer/Getty Images)

After a historic first-ever series loss to Ireland on home soil in 2022 was followed by the first-ever defeat to Argentina at home, New Zealand’s “golden era” looked to be officially in the past. The 2010s were as dominant of a decade as modern rugby has witnessed and that era was spearheaded by a trio of coaches who graduated from being each other’s assistants.

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Sir Graham Henry’s tenure as All Blacks head coach could have been short-lived and remembered only for the 2007 Rugby World Cup quarter-finals loss to France. But instead, the loss sparked a historic winning period that would see the All Blacks become the first side to ever win back-to-back World Cups.

One man who has been there through the entire process is All Blacks manager Darren Shand. Shand is one of the many long-term All Blacks staff who will see out 2023 as their final year with the team and reflected on his time alongside some of the game’s great coaches.

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“I started in 2004 with Sir Graham,” Shand told The Platform. “I didn’t even know him, I was so scared of him and I was actually his boss. That was the role they’d given me. We sat down for lunch and I said ‘How’s this going to work Ted?’ And he said ‘Darren, I just want to coach, you sort out everything else.’ We shook hands and agreed to work together.

“The thing I loved about Ted (Sir Graham Henry) was that he was a pretty experienced coach when he came in but he was brave enough to hire Smithy (Wayne Smith) and Steve (Hansen) who were, you could say his equal as coaches.

“What I’ve learned is that when you can have people pushing you from below, you just become better. So I really admire Ted for that, that was huge. Ted still had his way to some degree but the fact that he had two individuals there that were really outstanding coaches in their own right was pretty special.

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“Steve, I just loved his instinctiveness, he just had a knack, it was almost like a superpower where he could, I remember Smithy would spend hours on the computer after matches analyzing it and Steve would just watch a replay for 10 minutes and have the same answer. He was so good at that. Particularly with people, he had that sort of sixth sense.

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“And Foz, I really admire what Foz has had to go through, he couldn’t have had a more difficult period of time to have to deal with all the external stuff. Covid, everything’s just not been normal. He’s held himself remarkably well through all that and he’s kept our group together, he’s kept us going and I tip my hat to him for that.

“I want to stand by him and give him the success that he deserves this year.

“They’re all very different. The thing I’ve found with coaches is their upside is unbelievable, their downside can be really challenging and there’s often a bit of a grey bit in the middle.”

Although Foster’s contributions as head coach have not seen the success of his predecessors, his influence during the 2010s is what saw him rewarded with the top job.

Shand emphasised the importance of losing the 2007 quarter-final, noting the amount that was learnt from the loss and how it inspired the ensuing dominance. He was also on the board following the 2007 loss and was proud to have stuck with Sir Graham Henry despite also interviewing Robbie Deans.

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Jmann 677 days ago

There is no doubt it was the most successful team that rugby has ever seen. Arguably that 'sport' has ever seen.

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G 677 days ago

Great servant but Shand lost every crucial coin toss!

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fl 3 hours ago
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He’s won many trebles in his career - why do you only care about one of them?

I think its unsurprising that he’d feel more emotional about his recent achievements, but its less clear why you do.


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It actually was clear, if you knew the number he had won of each, but I was ignoring the league cup, because Germany and Spain only have one cup competition so it isn’t possible to compare league cup performance with City to his performance with Bayern and Barcelona.


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I can count, but clearly you can’t divide! He was at Barca for 4 years, so that’s 3.5 trophies per year. He was at Bayern for 3 years, and actually won 7 trophies so that’s 2.3 trophies per year. He has been at City for 8 completed seasons so that’s 2.25 trophies per year. If in his 9th season (this one) he wins both the FA cup and the FIFA club world cup that will take his total to 20 for an average of 2.22 trophies per year.


To be clear - you said that Pep had gotten better with age by every metric. In fact by most metrics he has gotten worse!

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fl 5 hours ago
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“He made history beyond the age of 50. History.”

He made history before the age of 50, why are you so keen to downplay Pep’s early career achievements? In 2009 he won the sextuple. No other manager in history had achieved that, and Pep hasn’t achieved it since, but here you are jizzing your pants over a couple of CL finals.


“If continuing to break records and achieve trophies isn't a metric for success”

Achieving trophies is a metric for success, and Pep wins fewer trophies as he gets older.


“He's still competing for a major trophy this year. Should he get it, it would be 8 consecutive seasons with a major trophy. Then the world club cup in the summer.”

You’re cherry picking some quite odd stats now. In Pep’s first 8 seasons as a manager he won 6 league titles, 2 CL titles, & 4 cup titles. In Pep’s last 8 seasons as a manager (including this one) he’s won 6 league titles, 1 CL title, & 2 (or possibly 3) cup titles. In his first 8 seasons he won the FIFA world club cup 3 times; in his last 8 seasons he’s won it 1 (or possibly soon to be 2) time(s). In his first 8 seasons he won the UEFA super cup 3 times; in his last 8 he won the UEFA super cup once. His record over the past 8 seasons has been amazing - but it is a step down from his record in his first 8 seasons, and winning the FA cup and FIFA club world cup this summer won’t change that.


Pep is still a brilliant manager. He will probably remain a brilliant manager for many years to come, but you seem to want to forget how incredible he was when he first broke through. To be clear - you said that Pep had gotten better with age by every metric. That was false!

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