'That pisses a lot of people off' - Players, coaches react to scrum annihilation

Keep the good spirit in your posts that you show for you team GP. Don’t turn into one of those vile supporters nobody likes to be around at a game.

Hopefully it will stop the deaths that are happening though.

I’m glad you recognize that they are a long way off like we do though HH. Lets hope the world can keep up this time when they get there!

It’s not the losing its the getting trashed like we where playing against the All Blacks part lol

First, we have to ensure you think big picture, right? There’s no point looking at like a jar of sweets.

It would be different if you had Mounga, Frizzel, Aaron Smith and Leicester in your starting line up right?

Yes, in the immediate term it would improve the squad and performances (lets say), but what are the consequences going to be long term Necusil?

Another interesting topic I’ll give to you is one that has been used often for South Africa (who is a little ahead of Argentina in that they opened eligibility why Argentinians where still required to play for Jaguares), and that is that all their overseas pros grew up and left SA after they had finished their development.

How much different is it going to be when Argentina’s players haven’t had multiple seasons in a pro team like Jaguares before they go overseas? How are you going to identify all the new players that are going to start growing up overseas? What quality was the environment of Jaguares? Was it over and above the majority of clubs that their players find themselves in now?

And lastly, what would you want, a strong Los Pumas playing great rugby and winning big games, or a strong Los Pumas playing great rugby and winning big games and a strong Jaguares playing great rugby and winning big games? South Africa disbanding Super Rugby by their decisions to join URC, that left Jaguares in a tough predicament, but really they were probably in the same predicament where they couldn’t afford to have the players sit out another year doing nothing waiting for COVID to pass. That doesn’t mean they can’t be part of Super Rugby now that is back up and running again.

I’m not sure you’re also factoring in wages, NZR pays more for International, NH players get more for domestic. Perhaps they’d get more money choosing NZ?

Which players do you think would sacrifice international careers with Wales, Ireland, England and Scotland to hold tackle bags and “be opposition” for the starting team

You’re confusing the two different points I was replying to. I’ve made a huge list of players for current open eligibility already if you actually want to know who they potentially could have been. You have no note that we would have no idea who these players are as theres no point tracking their performance when they weren’t able to be selected. The premise though is that any in '“form” could have been better than any in form (or not, as this less numbers to chose from you often have to pick an out of form player) at home.

That second concept was that they could secure the best from playing for another country, and of those of course have already been named, and of course the benefits from being able to offload the current hasbeens from the current squad. Also with this second factor, you’d probably say it is a more recent one, where previously the NH hasn’t been able to develop players to the required level, so only those that left NZ already developed would have been a viable option. Now, we could see any unknowns potentially rise to the top and never be eligible to be chosen.

This of course is not to say I’m arguing for this decision. I was more giving a better perception of this particular component to the larger decision of ‘would it work’. In your proposition there is benefit to change if even one player would improve the team, so theres no point bring further names into the equation, and we don’t really want to do that, to go into the bottomless whole that is balancing the required benefit improvement in the squad from overseas selection compared to factors that may reduce improvement on the home side due to exodus.

The bottom line is that you are obviously going to A) continue to be able to select quality players that leave, therefor improving the squad, and B) be able to select for capture and assessment NZ talent from overseas. I’m not posting to show you the degree of talent.

Also, if you’re wondering why, Aki grew up with a less than beneficial background. He’s one of those that came through the long way round, working an actual 9-5 job, so he wasn’t as advanced as even those younger prospects in the squad (still played some great rugby though, tough), so the Chiefs had to cut him from the main squad. Thankfully his performances and opportunity the previous year were frequent and good enough to get a pro contract still (instead of going back to work for the family support again)!