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The Rugby World Cup sleeper team that has 'no baggage'

Wales' full-back Liam WIlliams (R) celebrates scoring a try during the Autumn International friendly rugby union match between Wales and Fiji at the Principality Stadium in Cardiff, south Wales, on November 14, 2021. - Wales won the match 38-23. (Photo by Geoff Caddick / AFP) (Photo by GEOFF CADDICK/AFP via Getty Images)

Is the rugby world sleeping on Wales? Former Wales hooker Scott Baldwin thinks so and believes his former side can go far at the Rugby World Cup, which kicks off on September 8th in Paris.

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Baldwin, who won 37 caps for his country and played in the 2015 World Cup, is convinced Warren Gatland’s squad can seize precious momentum if they beat Fiji in their opening game.

The new Newcastle Falcons defence coach believes his former teammates, whom he trained with just 8 months ago, believes that Gatland’s young squad have no ‘baggage’ to hold them back. While England and Australia have been savaged in the press, there’s an air of positivity around Wales despite their own abysmal run of results in the last 18 months.

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“There is no baggage. They are going to go into the tournament ready to play. I think they will do well,” Baldwin told Grosvenor Sport.

“So much rests on the Fiji game.  They have world class players, have been together for a while and they will have so much confidence after beating England. If Wales can get some momentum with Gatland’s mindset and his nous around the game there is no telling where they can get to.

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“They have some X factor games as they showed in that first game against England. They didn’t have much ball to attack with, but when they get behind you, they stay behind you, which is a big thing.

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“Look at the backs they have got,  Louis Rees Zammit, Josh Adams,  Rio Dyer, Liam Williams, Mason Grady, Nick Tomkins, Dan Biggar. As much as people say it is a young squad there is a lot of experience in there. People underestimate Dan Biggar’s attacking game.”

Baldwin says he ‘cannot speak highly enough’ about head coach Warren Gatland, who he believes will maximise the players at his disposal.

“He gave me all my caps. The way he can make a player operating at six of seven out of ten, to an eight or nine. That is his biggest strength. He has got such a great mindset. He is a special man and coach. His power is that he doesn’t speak that much. But when he does, he speaks with conviction and volume and people listen.

“When I retired he said to me that if there was anything he could do to help, then let him know. That is the mark of the man. Last week I spent the day with Wales in training. That was big for me. When you have someone like that you buy into it.

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“He is really big on family first. If you have a happy wife you have a happy life!”

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Baldwin, who retired at the end of last season before joining Newcastle Falcons as defence coach, says Gatland has made the right call on his captains.

“I like the fact that Jac Morgan and Dewi Lake are co-captains. They are two great young lads who lead by example. I marked Dewi out a few years ago and when I went to Quins in 2019 I said he would be captain at the 2023 World Cup! He is going to be a world class player. He has the potential to be another Malcom Marx. He is a massive man, has a really good work rate, good morals, he is just a great bloke.

“Going back to my time at the Ospreys, he was always asking me, ‘Can we do some throwing, can we do this and that, what is the thinking at this scrum?’ His thirst for knowledge is huge. He is an exceptional talent.

“People outside of Wales might not know much about him, but people will go, ‘Wow.’

“This boy has a bit about him. He has to stay fit but that is the nature of the beast; the way he plays the game. When I heard he was co-captain I  was ecstatic for him. I texted him. When he got injured (v England) I waited a couple of days before texting him. When I found out he was going to be ok that was brilliant news.”

Baldwin wasn’t totally surprised that Gatland named just two scrum halves in the side, just half of the four halfbacks South Africa have named in their 33-man Rugby World Cup squad.

“Warren did likewise in 2015 when I was one of only two hookers, with Ken Owens. He knows how robust they are, he will have looked at their performances. Gats will have used the fitness of the scrum halves as the barometer for preparations in terms of fitness. Gats is big on the stats side of things. There is a quite a lot of time between games too. He will have factored that in as well.”

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fl 27 minutes ago
Ex-Wallaby laughs off claims Bath are amongst the best in the world

I ultimately don’t care who the best club team in the world is, so yeah, lets agree to disagree on that.


I would appreciate clarity on a couple of things though:

Where did I contradict myself?

Saying “Trophies matter. They matter a lot. But so does winning games. So does making finals.” is entirely compatible with ranking a team as the best - over an extended period - when they have won more games and made more finals than other comparable teams. It would be contradictory for me to say “Trophies matter. They matter a lot. But so does winning games. So does making finals.” and then completely ignore Leinster record of winning games and making finals.


“You can get frustrated and say I am not reading what you write, but when you quote me, then your first line is to say thats true (what I wrote), but by the end of the paragraph have stated something different, thats where you contradict yourself.”

What you said (that I think trophies matter) is true, in that I said “Trophies matter. They matter a lot. But so does winning games. So does making finals.”. Do you understand that Leinster won more games and made more finals than any other (URC-based) team did under the period under consideration?


“Pointless comparison on Blackburn and Tottenham to this discussion as no-one includes them on a list of the best club. I would say that Blackburns title season was better than anything Tottenham have done in the Premier League. My reference to the league was that the team who finished second over two seasons are not better than the two other teams who did win the league each time. One of the best - of course, but not the best, which is relevant to my point here about Leinster, not comparing teams who won 30 years ago against a team that never won.”

I really don’t understand why you would think that this is irrelevant. You seem to be saying that winning trophies is the only thing that matters when assessing who is the best, but doesn’t matter at all when assessing who is 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, etc.


“What I referred to in my Leinster wouldn’t say the were the best is your post earlier where you said Leinster were the best overall. You said that in two separate posts. Seasons dont work like that, they are individual. Unless the same team keeps winning then you can say they were the best over a period of time and group them, but thats not the case here.”

Well then we’ve just been talking at cross purposes. In that my position (that Leinster were the best team overall in 2022-2024) was pretty clear, and you just decided to respond to a different point (whether Leinster were the best team individually in particular years) essentially making the entire discussion completely pointless. I guess if you think that trophies are the only thing that matters then it makes sense to see the season as an individual event that culminates in a trophy (or not), whereas because I believe that trophies matter a lot, but that so does winning matches and making finals, it makes it easier for me to consider quality over an extended period.

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MT 49 minutes ago
Ex-Wallaby laughs off claims Bath are amongst the best in the world

As I said in one of my first replies to you - we can agree to disagree. If you want to leave it no problem. I completely disagree with your ranking of Leinster as the best team in the world. Now you have said you will change it if Bordeaux win the Top 14. Well as Leinster themselves prioritise the CC over the URC and Bordeaux won the CC, how are they not ranked higher by you? Are Leinster one of the best teams, yeah - never said they weren’t. But not the very best team, as the very best team have trophies to show for their seasons. They matter when you discuss the very best.


You can get frustrated and say I am not reading what you write, but when you quote me, then your first line is to say thats true (what I wrote), but by the end of the paragraph have stated something different, thats where you contradict yourself. Just so we are clear, you said you would too on my statement that I would rather be a fan of a team that won a trophy over the three seasons, but end the paragraph saying you would rather be a fan of the team that won the most matches but didn’t win a trophy. Both cant be true. Thats one example of where you contradict yourself.


Pointless comparison on Blackburn and Tottenham to this discussion as no-one includes them on a list of the best club. I would say that Blackburns title season was better than anything Tottenham have done in the Premier League. My reference to the league was that the team who finished second over two seasons are not better than the two other teams who did win the league each time. One of the best - of course, but not the best, which is relevant to my point here about Leinster, not comparing teams who won 30 years ago against a team that never won.


What I referred to in my Leinster wouldn’t say the were the best is your post earlier where you said Leinster were the best overall. You said that in two separate posts. Seasons dont work like that, they are individual. Unless the same team keeps winning then you can say they were the best over a period of time and group them, but thats not the case here.

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