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The timing of the France 2023 RWC pool draw has caused upset

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World Rugby have announced that the draw for the pool stage of the 2023 World Cup will take place after the November internationals this year. 

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The draw will be based on the world rankings after the weekend of the 21-22 November, almost three years before the tournament begins in France. 

Last time there was a pool draw, there was an 18-month gap between the 2015 World Cup final and the draw for the 2019 World Cup which was held in Kyoto in May 2017. 

But this latest window for countries to improve their post-RWC results has now been reduced by six months – and it has proven to be unpopular.  By comparison, the football World Cup’s draw is usually made six months before the tournament starts.

While the qualification process is different between the two sports, a huge amount can change over the three years prior to the World Cup.

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As it stands, band one consists of South Africa, New Zealand, England and Wales, band two is Ireland, Australia, France and Japan, and band three is Scotland, Argentina, Fiji, Italy.

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However, Ireland, Australia and France all have new coaches and could experience some radical improvements in the coming years. Meanwhile, eight teams still have not even qualified for the tournament.

A young France team are particularly tipped to rise over the next few years, but their seeding at the World Cup will effectively be determined by their performances before 2019 – albeit they still have a lot of rugby to play this year to potentially climb up the rankings. 

But for a team to have so much potential come 2023, there should not be as much of a priority to instantly achieve success in 2020 as there is for them and many other teams. 

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The major disadvantage for the northern hemisphere teams is that their ranking can be significantly skewed after their summer series. 

Wales travel to New Zealand in July 2020, while Scotland face the Springboks in what will be tough fixtures to climb up the rankings. The teams that have slightly easier tours may not suffer as much damage with their ranking, or even could improve. 

The flaw with this pool draw system was most clearly shown in the 2015 RWC where Pool A contained the second, third and fourth best teams in the world, Australia, England and Wales, as their rankings were obviously different three years before, with Wales ranked ninth in the world at the end of 2012. 

Although this may only happen once every four years, it has major ramifications. It is something that much of the rugby world wants to see changed. 

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fl 1 hour ago
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“Why do you downplay his later career, post 50? He won a treble less than two years ago, with a club who played more games and won more games than any other team that managed the same feat. His crowning achievement - by his own admission.”

He’s won many trebles in his career - why do you only care about one of them?

I think its unsurprising that he’d feel more emotional about his recent achievements, but its less clear why you do.


“Is it FA cups or League cups you’re forgetting in his English trophy haul? You haven’t made that clear…”

It actually was clear, if you knew the number he had won of each, but I was ignoring the league cup, because Germany and Spain only have one cup competition so it isn’t possible to compare league cup performance with City to his performance with Bayern and Barcelona.


“With Barcelona he won 14 trophies. With Bayern Munich he won 5 trophies. With City he has currently won 18 trophies…”

I can count, but clearly you can’t divide! He was at Barca for 4 years, so that’s 3.5 trophies per year. He was at Bayern for 3 years, and actually won 7 trophies so that’s 2.3 trophies per year. He has been at City for 8 completed seasons so that’s 2.25 trophies per year. If in his 9th season (this one) he wins both the FA cup and the FIFA club world cup that will take his total to 20 for an average of 2.22 trophies per year.


To be clear - you said that Pep had gotten better with age by every metric. In fact by most metrics he has gotten worse!

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fl 3 hours ago
Why Les Kiss and Stuart Lancaster can lead Australia to glory

“He made history beyond the age of 50. History.”

He made history before the age of 50, why are you so keen to downplay Pep’s early career achievements? In 2009 he won the sextuple. No other manager in history had achieved that, and Pep hasn’t achieved it since, but here you are jizzing your pants over a couple of CL finals.


“If continuing to break records and achieve trophies isn't a metric for success”

Achieving trophies is a metric for success, and Pep wins fewer trophies as he gets older.


“He's still competing for a major trophy this year. Should he get it, it would be 8 consecutive seasons with a major trophy. Then the world club cup in the summer.”

You’re cherry picking some quite odd stats now. In Pep’s first 8 seasons as a manager he won 6 league titles, 2 CL titles, & 4 cup titles. In Pep’s last 8 seasons as a manager (including this one) he’s won 6 league titles, 1 CL title, & 2 (or possibly 3) cup titles. In his first 8 seasons he won the FIFA world club cup 3 times; in his last 8 seasons he’s won it 1 (or possibly soon to be 2) time(s). In his first 8 seasons he won the UEFA super cup 3 times; in his last 8 he won the UEFA super cup once. His record over the past 8 seasons has been amazing - but it is a step down from his record in his first 8 seasons, and winning the FA cup and FIFA club world cup this summer won’t change that.


Pep is still a brilliant manager. He will probably remain a brilliant manager for many years to come, but you seem to want to forget how incredible he was when he first broke through. To be clear - you said that Pep had gotten better with age by every metric. That was false!

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