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Watch: Welsh pundits claim 'faceless' WRU isn't fit for purpose

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A hard-hitting TV debate featuring an ex-Wales international and a former Celtic League title-winning coach has claimed that the Welsh Rugby Union (WRU) isn’t fit for purpose. The alleged mismanagement of the sport in Wales culminated in last weekend’s latest defeat for the men’s national team under Wayne Pivac, whose job is now said to be in jeopardy.

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However, that dissatisfaction with Pivac is only seemingly part of the current malaise in Welsh rugby and James Hook and Sean Holley have both called for change. In recent years, the Scrum V programme has had a habit of sitting on the fence too much but new presenter Lauren Jenkins is a no-nonsense operator and she didn’t hesitate in putting the WRU negatively in the spotlight in the most recent show.

Speaking in the wake of Wales’ defeat to Australia, Jenkins didn’t hold back when canvassing Hook and Holley for their thoughts on what many perceive to now be a crisis in Welsh rugby.

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“This is the situation as we sit here: We are three weeks on from Rob Butcher leaving as chairman, expressing his utter disappointment at the failure to appoint an independent chair. We’re a year on from Amanda Blanc, one of eight women in the FTSE100, leaving the board because she felt she could have no impact and wasn’t listened to,” began Jenkins.

“Club games are being called off, and there is no long-term financial deal between the union and the regions. Sean, is the Welsh Rugby Union fit for purpose?”

“No, I don’t think it is,” responded Holley, who was at Ospreys during their trophy-winning era more than a decade ago. “It’s archaic. I did a lot of work around this Autumn Nations Series, I speak to loads of stakeholders all over, players, coaches, administrators, sponsors, CEOs of regions, lots of different people and very rarely do you get somebody who says a positive word about the WRU. I feel it has become a faceless institution.

“You only rarely hear from the CEO (Steve Phillips); we have had a very bland and grey statement in there (on the future of Pivac). When David Moffett was there, alright some people didn’t agree with him but you saw and heard him a lot.

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“Who is the head of elite performance, the head of coach development? It becomes quite faceless when you put it like that and the Amanda Blanc interview was the most damning in recent times about how unprofessional, the community bias in terms of major boards that make major decisions rather than independent business high-performance people that we probably need now in a high-performance multi-million-pound company isn’t there.”

Ex-Wales out-half Hook now joined the chat. “We need to get that relationship back together, the WRU, the community clubs, because that relationship has gone by talking to the community clubs,” he reckoned. “Are the WRU mapping out what they want to achieve, are the community clubs listening, how do we get out relationship back?”

That was the prompt for show presenter Jenkins to make her follow-up remark. “That is the point because eight of the twelve directors on the board are from the community game, the Welsh Rugby Union are responsible for 300-plus clubs but not even the community clubs are happy they don’t feel they are being listened to.

“There must be a way of saying, ‘Look, we’ll give you what you want in return for a bit of power, dialogue, communication’ and just bringing that relationship a bit closer?”

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Holley responded: “There is that feeling that turkeys won’t ever vote for Christmas and that is what we have in that situation or maybe there is a lack of communication around why we need this and the benefits it could have, the greater benefits. There is a tremendous amount of self-interest in Welsh rugby at all levels.”

Hook added: “Everyone realises there needs to be change but they don’t want to upset their own house really, so that is the problem we have got at the moment.”

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JW 33 minutes ago
Leicester Fainga'anuku denied All Blacks eligibility for TRC

I don’t get that. I got the opposite, this was something Lester really really wanted to do. NZR is not going to stop him doing that by putting ridiculous money in front of him (noted you were only asking for fair money).


I wouldn’t say this was a Mo’unga or Frizell situation where there talent only was unlocked after they signed abroad, when Schmidt and Ryan came in respectively. LF was on a good trajectory, and he just decided he has the perfect window of opportunity to go abroad while he’s not first choice, learn and live in France to come back better and have a good shot at the perfect age. I think he recongised that.


Agreed that our rotation has been off the the last decade, players have not been moved on when they should, but I wouldn’t include Rieko in that discussion, though I would accept he is more of a marketing than performance signing.


Also agree it is a strange condunrum that results from the misalligned seasons, where Lester is straight into NPC in the same season almost. When really the ‘start’ of his contract is next year. Is he even going to be on the payroll at the moment? Could it be used as a double dip to encourage players back, a ‘bonus international season’ of match fees.


But they also don’t want them to become anymore common. So perhaps everything is fine? Like I was alluding to with Toko, they would need multiple markers of their own in Top 14 for them to be able to gauge off. As I’ve said in previous articles I’d be comfortable to expand sabbaticals to 2 in every position (yes a huge change), so that the was a core group of 30 of the top players all aligned with the ABs and overseas at any one time. This would ensure there are good markers to correlate levels of performance amongst everyone. This is a very similar setup/size to South Africa. It is like the AB modem in a wider organism, the vets are shipped off much earlier, and the core of next cycle is brought through. No missing out on the JGPs or Aki’s, no the Antonio’s or young Patrick Tuifua’s to france, keeping the Chandler Cunningham-South’s or Roots brothers, evan this Dubious guy from the French team was playing rugby here in NZ and could have stayed with a more ground up focus on bringing players through, not paying them much etc lol

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JW 1 hour ago
Leicester Fainga'anuku denied All Blacks eligibility for TRC

I’m not sure where that’s going but does it raise a valid point? Yes would be the answer you’re angling for?


It was (on air here) last year, but not this year. I haven’t seen why, my guess was that it’s because no English version comes out from the “closed off billionaires league” and they couldn’t get an english one. I think they have to get it from the UK broadcasters and maybe that market changed this year?


The quality of it wasn’t my point, purely correlation of those performances to ones at home. He is the only one over there, there was no marker for ABs to valuate from. He wasn’t a solid choice, in that you knew what you were getting, he was still more of a sensation in the All Blacks, and he was playing a different position.


Those are just direct points to counter JBs thoughts. I’m not saying they were used in any way (I think theyd have to be part of why NZR have the current eligibility rules though), this situation was simply a matter of starting at the back of the class if you’re not here. Only vets can earn sabbaticals (which is essentially what people are asking for in this case). There’s no argument this isn’t the right call.


As with the topic in the above paragraph, we could go on and on about it, but I will say I did see after the fact the final was broadcast FTA (no that I’d watch live, still have yet to watch the replay) straight off mondos website (im guessing it was a laggy pos tho), which is/was good. I also wanted to watch Brad Weber and Lester last year (start of the season) so went on line for a few (and tried to catch Max Hicks), that Brad was fabulous, Lester less so. Lester was also less that good in this international window. So I did see enough to know they are very different games, and I can tell it’s going to take him a while to get on his feet here again.


Ps and if your gonna say “well so you were able to watch Top 14”, first, this is not about me and it wouldn’t have mattered if I thought he played better than Jordie, second, I just couldn’t be assed, too easy using a proper product. I gave up on JRLO too because they blocked the Youtube dude (and TVNZ/Spark didn’t have it), and RP was slow in signing a deal.

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