'We're trying to work out whether we have got Ben Curry or Tom Curry here'
Eddie Jones is revelling in the novelty of having a revamped England squad - including rookie Ben Curry, the identical twin of Lions pick Tom - at his disposal for the three-game summer series which gets started with this Sunday's A team game versus Scotland in Leicester. Twenty-one uncapped players were named in the initial training squad of 34 and there are now 23 uncapped players in the squad after the numbers were increased to 36 at the start of this week.
Of the capped players just four are in double figures, forwards Ellis Genge, Charlie Ewels and Sam Underhill along with scrum-half Dan Robson, so Jones and his fellow coaches have their hands full coaching a collection of players they are greatly unfamiliar with at international level.
Jones tried to see the lighthearted side of this situation on Thursday when quizzed by RugbyPass about the influx of so many newcomers for a series that will continue with July Test games at Twickenham versus the USA and Canada once the A team warm-up is out of the way after this weekend.
"There are so many new faces, when they have their masks on I have been scratching to work out who's who. We're trying to work out whether we have got Ben Curry or Tom Curry here," quipped Jones about the lack of familiar faces in the England set-up.
"I used to play with the Ella brothers and they had little tricks. I remember when Mark was captain of the Wallabies he sent Glen up to a press conference and no one knew who it was. I don't know whether I have got Ben or Tom Curry here, so we are trying to work that one out.
"But no, there is a lot of guys here who have got an opportunity in front of them. The enthusiasm from the squad is first class. There is a run of three games here, which starts with Scotland A on the weekend, where they can really put themselves forward as genuine Test players for the World Cup in 2023. We are at a period now where we are two years away from the World Cup so the squad starts to take a bit of mould and we need fresh blood and need fresh energy. These guys have got one foot in the door and they have got to make sure they keep the door open."
It was earlier this month when Jones defended his consultancy coaching at club level in Japan in the wake of the desultory fifth-place Guinness Six Nations finish by England. He insisted at the time that he needed to practise coaching elsewhere as his England job covered just a dozen hands-on weeks in a year. How then does he feel about suddenly having his work cut out with so many English rookies looking to him for instruction and guidance?
"Yeah, it always is (refreshing) when you work with fresh talent. You want to see where you can take them. The less they have played at this level the more they tend to listen because experienced players tend to know what they need to do and your coaching is less when you have got experienced players.
"But these guys, we have got to guide and direct a bit more so the hands-on coaching has been more evident than it would be with a more experienced squad so we have enjoyed that. We like the look of where they are going. They train with enormous energy. We just need to execute a bit better, which we will get in the next few days, and we are looking forward to a strong performance on Sunday."
A team games are a rarity in the modern era. It was 2016 when the Saxons, the old name given to the England understudy team, last played a match. However, as enthusiastic as Jones sounded about this Sunday's clash with Scotland A, he doesn't envisage this level of the international game enjoying a revival any time soon.
"What we have got to find is a few more weeks in the year," he jibed. "These start-up companies can invent anything these days, so why can't they invent a year with 58 weeks? If we have 58 weeks we could have six A games. Wouldn't that be great? If you have got someone who has got some money who can do a bit of creative work on the calendar we can create a few more weeks."
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The only benefit of the draft idea is league competitiveness. There would be absolutely no commercial value in a draft with rugby’s current interest levels.
I wonder what came first in america? I’m assuming it’s commercial aspect just built overtime and was a side effect essentially.
But the idea is not without merit as a goal. The first step towards being able to implement a draft being be creating it’s source of draftees. Where would you have the players come from? NFL uses college, and players of an age around 22 are generally able to step straight into the NFL. Baseball uses School and kids (obviously nowhere near pro level being 3/4 years younger) are sent to minor league clubs for a few years, the equivalent of the Super Rugby academies. I don’t think the latter is possible legally, and probably the most unethical and pointless, so do we create a University scene that builds on and up from the School scene? There is a lot of merit in that and it would tie in much better with our future partners in Japan and America.
Can we used the club scene and dispose of the Super Rugby academies? The benefit of this is that players have no association to their Super side, ie theyre not being drafted elshwere after spending time as a Blues or Chiefs player etc, it removes the negative of investing in a player just to benefit another club. The disadvantage of course is that now the players have nowhere near the quality of coaching and each countries U20s results will suffer (supposedly).
Or are we just doing something really dirty and making a rule that the only players under the age of 22 (that can sign a pro contract..) that a Super side can contract are those that come from the draft? Any player wanting to upgrade from an academy to full contract has to opt into the draft?
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You’ve got the perfect structure to run your 1A and 1B on a quota of club representation by Province. Have some balance/reward system in place to promote and reward competitiveness/excellence. Say each bracket has 12 teams, each province 3 spots, given the Irish Shield winner once of the bottom ranked provinces spots, so the twelve teams that make up 1A are 4 from Leinster, 3 each from Connacht and Munster, and 2 from Ulster etc. Run the same rule over 1B from the 1A reults/winner/bottom team etc. I’d imagine IRFU would want to keep participation to at least two teams from any one province but if not, and there was reason for more flexibility and competitveness, you can simply have other ways to change the numbers, like caps won by each province for the year prior or something.
Then give those clubs sides much bigger incentive to up their game, say instead of using the Pro sides for the British and Irish Cup you had going, it’s these best club sides that get to represent Ireland. There is plenty of interest in semi pro club cup competitions in europe that Ireland can invest in or drive their own creation of.
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